Doctor Q
Dec 2, 12:20 PM
In this case, it has been examined, and the result is that there will be a Kernel Panic.
The important thing is, there is no security risk. Nobody can use this to install a virus or adware on your computer. They can use it to crash your computer - once if you are clever, twice if you are not quite so clever, but not more often. They can't do anything but crash the computer.Mac OS X is so stable that I am perfectly comfortable working for an hour in between saving my open files. If I was likely to run into websites that purposely exploited a flaw to crash my Mac, I'd have to change my habits and live more defensively.
Sure, losing work would be my fault for not saving after each keystroke, but I'd still blame the website. For example, suppose it was a site pretending to take a political poll, but if you voted against their favored choice, they punished you with a system crash. Even if this is not a security concern, it's a concern, and I'd like to see it fixed.
These types of reports don't panic me and I'm glad that Apple does pay attention to most bugs and security concerns. I don't expect them to avoid all glitches, only to make a reasonable effort when programming their O.S. and applications, and to fix problems that are later revealed.
The important thing is, there is no security risk. Nobody can use this to install a virus or adware on your computer. They can use it to crash your computer - once if you are clever, twice if you are not quite so clever, but not more often. They can't do anything but crash the computer.Mac OS X is so stable that I am perfectly comfortable working for an hour in between saving my open files. If I was likely to run into websites that purposely exploited a flaw to crash my Mac, I'd have to change my habits and live more defensively.
Sure, losing work would be my fault for not saving after each keystroke, but I'd still blame the website. For example, suppose it was a site pretending to take a political poll, but if you voted against their favored choice, they punished you with a system crash. Even if this is not a security concern, it's a concern, and I'd like to see it fixed.
These types of reports don't panic me and I'm glad that Apple does pay attention to most bugs and security concerns. I don't expect them to avoid all glitches, only to make a reasonable effort when programming their O.S. and applications, and to fix problems that are later revealed.
oblomow
Apr 1, 01:18 AM
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Using ImageShack to Host Photos (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1nHFOBDdle8MzYzOWM2MTMtOTVhOS00YjMyLTgxMWUtNTg5ODNkYTZjNDI3&hl=en)
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Welcome to Photo of the Day. The POTD thread was started by iGary, and first posted in May, 2006 It was converted to a monthly thread in November 2007 by Arn. POTD is one of the most popular picture groups on MacRumors and often exceeds 500 posts and 20,000 views per month.
Photo of the Day is intended to be a showcase for your best pictures. There is no limit to your gear, just your imagination. P&S and film cameras are welcome along with DSLRs. There are no themes like the Fortnightly Challenge and Weekly Contest. No winners (or losers) either.
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Using Flickr to Host Photos (https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1nHFOBDdle8NDc2OWQzMzAtNjFlZi00NzUyLWE1MDgtNDQxMzM4MWE0NTEy&hl=en&authkey=CN71wswI)
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J Radical
Dec 2, 09:24 AM
OS X isn't perfect, and it's unreasonable to expect that it will never ever be breached.
That said, Apple have done a great job thus far. My worry isn't so much individual (trivial?) exploits, but rather that OS X would go down the XP route and require constant patching. The last thing Apple needs is to have to fight fires in the same way Microsoft has had to with XP.
Security is a key selling point for the mac platform and it is essential that Apple maintain their advantage with the vastly improved Vista fast approaching.
I hope Apple will address these problems with the urgency they merit.
That said, Apple have done a great job thus far. My worry isn't so much individual (trivial?) exploits, but rather that OS X would go down the XP route and require constant patching. The last thing Apple needs is to have to fight fires in the same way Microsoft has had to with XP.
Security is a key selling point for the mac platform and it is essential that Apple maintain their advantage with the vastly improved Vista fast approaching.
I hope Apple will address these problems with the urgency they merit.
grinny11
Mar 12, 02:32 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)
Maybe 100
Maybe 100
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Thomas Veil
May 1, 10:07 PM
Good weekend for Obama. He got even with both Donald Trump and Osama bin Laden.
Crosbie
Apr 14, 01:44 PM
The link in this thread still causes me problems:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=12349432
Though now Safari crashes a short time after showing the white box problem.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=12349432
Though now Safari crashes a short time after showing the white box problem.
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iOS v Android
Apr 28, 06:02 PM
Show me list of dozens, please. 24 phones minimum. i would like to see you provide even one example.
Good thing you can get it on Verizon
Droid X
Droid 2
Droid World edition
Galaxy S (Family)
T-mobile G2
HTC Evo
HTC evo Shift
MY touch
My touch Slide
My touch 4g
Moto Clique
T-mobile G2X
Samsung Side kick
Moto atrix
Lg Optimus 1 (Family)
Thats all i can think off. But that is a long list of great phones. I happen to own two of this list. The G2 and one from the Optimus 1 family (you may call it a bogo phone. But a great phone none the less.)
Good thing you can get it on Verizon
Droid X
Droid 2
Droid World edition
Galaxy S (Family)
T-mobile G2
HTC Evo
HTC evo Shift
MY touch
My touch Slide
My touch 4g
Moto Clique
T-mobile G2X
Samsung Side kick
Moto atrix
Lg Optimus 1 (Family)
Thats all i can think off. But that is a long list of great phones. I happen to own two of this list. The G2 and one from the Optimus 1 family (you may call it a bogo phone. But a great phone none the less.)
Aduntu
May 2, 12:59 AM
I would just like to mention two things:
1. Today is yom hashoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day)
2. Yesterday, April 30, 2011 is the anniversary of Hitler's death.
Just want to through those two items out there
Your 2nd date appears to be incorrect.
Through him a bone, will ya?
1. Today is yom hashoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day)
2. Yesterday, April 30, 2011 is the anniversary of Hitler's death.
Just want to through those two items out there
Your 2nd date appears to be incorrect.
Through him a bone, will ya?
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skunk
Feb 12, 07:12 PM
He makes me think of his father: in two or three years, Aaron Sorkin will put together a TV series where Charlie Sheen plays the (heretofore unmentioned) son of Jed Bartlett, who has somehow managed to become president...
The Wasted Wing?It's happened before...
The Wasted Wing?It's happened before...
trip1ex
May 3, 08:53 AM
Wow amazing!
Quad core on the low end and a decent gpu.
I'm in.
I thought they would nerf the gpu if they went quad on the low end.
Quad core on the low end and a decent gpu.
I'm in.
I thought they would nerf the gpu if they went quad on the low end.
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Liquorpuki
Feb 15, 10:50 AM
Charlie Sheen is on the short track of life ... soon to depart from this world.
I actually have a feeling the guy will actually live longer than most of us. Drugs and alcohol have absolutely no effect on this man
I actually have a feeling the guy will actually live longer than most of us. Drugs and alcohol have absolutely no effect on this man
NT1440
May 1, 11:53 PM
People's perception of reality matters more in these situations than actual reality. The fact that the average guy in the street probably still thinks/thought of him as the head of al-Qaeda is the important part.
This acceptance of perception being more important than reality is exactly why everyone hates politics, its how this kind of thing works. It's a huge part of the problem when reality doesn't matter any more. It's an immense danger.
This acceptance of perception being more important than reality is exactly why everyone hates politics, its how this kind of thing works. It's a huge part of the problem when reality doesn't matter any more. It's an immense danger.
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ucfgrad93
Feb 28, 04:37 PM
I feel bad for the rest of the cast and crew that are now not receiving a paycheck because of Sheen's idiocy. :mad:
siurpeeman
Mar 12, 04:12 AM
UGh. What a mess. Waited in line for 8 hours and they are sold out. So angry right now.
really sorry to hear that. reading about the insanely long lines at the apple store in brea, i headed over to best buy in fullerton instead. arrived at 1p and was 13th or so in line. i wish you all the luck in getting an ipad soon.
Nobody seemed to be touching those Verizon iPads with a 10 foot pole.
and i find that really surprising. despite at&t's faster (when available) data speeds, i've always found coverage to be completely spotty, especially in fullerton and brea. opted for a verizon ipad.
really sorry to hear that. reading about the insanely long lines at the apple store in brea, i headed over to best buy in fullerton instead. arrived at 1p and was 13th or so in line. i wish you all the luck in getting an ipad soon.
Nobody seemed to be touching those Verizon iPads with a 10 foot pole.
and i find that really surprising. despite at&t's faster (when available) data speeds, i've always found coverage to be completely spotty, especially in fullerton and brea. opted for a verizon ipad.
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hulugu
Dec 5, 01:10 PM
Indeed on first read, I'd say that he presents a convincing argument. I'll go along with his diagnosis that there's no hole that could open you up to arbitrary code execution. If that's your definition of a security hole, then it follows that there's no security hole there. But it's still leaving you open the possibility that the operating system may crash for no apparent reason, causing you to lose any unsaved work.
Lost work... Depending on how productive you are, that can easily result in monetary damage being done.
As I posted previously, that leaves you in no worse a situation than you always are if you're running a desktop computer without a UPS. But I think that it still warrants attention.
At best it still qualifies as an inconvenience, because the savvy user who saves her work regularly will only have lost 5 or 6 minutes of productivity including the reboot. At worst, it can result in hours of lost work for the user who doesn't understand the "save your work" mantra -- especially if we're talking about somebody who's protected by a battery backup and doesn't think that unexpected reboots should be possible on such an inherently stable operating system.
And it's undoubtedly a bug inside Apple's software that's causing this problem, therefore it is absolutely appropriate that Apple should be expected to fix it. I appreciate anybody's effort to bring such bugs to light, because that increases the probability that Apple will find out about it and fix it.
I'm saying Apple shouldn't fix it, I'm merely pointing out that many people are reacting to the MOKB as a wealth of major security flaws.
This is a bug, an annoying bug that should be fixed, but that's very different from a security flaw in which a crash can be used to inject malicious code. MOKB's author LMH was wrong about this particular instance and he did not do the research required of a security professional in this particular problem.
Again, don't dismiss the MOKB or the warnings from Secunia or F-Secure or even the demonstrations by Ellrich and Johnny Cache, instead we need to assess the problem as best we can.
I would say that you probably shouldn't be installing .dmgs while you're doing important work that hasn't been saved, that's just asking for trouble.
Lost work... Depending on how productive you are, that can easily result in monetary damage being done.
As I posted previously, that leaves you in no worse a situation than you always are if you're running a desktop computer without a UPS. But I think that it still warrants attention.
At best it still qualifies as an inconvenience, because the savvy user who saves her work regularly will only have lost 5 or 6 minutes of productivity including the reboot. At worst, it can result in hours of lost work for the user who doesn't understand the "save your work" mantra -- especially if we're talking about somebody who's protected by a battery backup and doesn't think that unexpected reboots should be possible on such an inherently stable operating system.
And it's undoubtedly a bug inside Apple's software that's causing this problem, therefore it is absolutely appropriate that Apple should be expected to fix it. I appreciate anybody's effort to bring such bugs to light, because that increases the probability that Apple will find out about it and fix it.
I'm saying Apple shouldn't fix it, I'm merely pointing out that many people are reacting to the MOKB as a wealth of major security flaws.
This is a bug, an annoying bug that should be fixed, but that's very different from a security flaw in which a crash can be used to inject malicious code. MOKB's author LMH was wrong about this particular instance and he did not do the research required of a security professional in this particular problem.
Again, don't dismiss the MOKB or the warnings from Secunia or F-Secure or even the demonstrations by Ellrich and Johnny Cache, instead we need to assess the problem as best we can.
I would say that you probably shouldn't be installing .dmgs while you're doing important work that hasn't been saved, that's just asking for trouble.
appleguy123
Apr 28, 02:51 PM
:D
I want to own the strip club.
And didn't you see how upset and disoriented I was by your death? I lost all track of time.
The would be the best narrative EVER.
MRVille is brothel, and 2 girls have stds.
The seer is a health department screener.
The hunter is a condom distributor.
It might have to go to the PRSI, though.
I want to own the strip club.
And didn't you see how upset and disoriented I was by your death? I lost all track of time.
The would be the best narrative EVER.
MRVille is brothel, and 2 girls have stds.
The seer is a health department screener.
The hunter is a condom distributor.
It might have to go to the PRSI, though.
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plinden
Oct 19, 01:27 AM
Don't know if this has been posted elsewhere, but Apple's pc share has grown to 6.1% in the US; we trail by 0.3 percentage points for third place.
10% is in sight. Perhaps by the end of 2007!
http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2158
Hmm, interesting. 4.8% -> 6.1% in the US in one quarter. And if their figures for the world wide sales are correct, 2.4% -> 2.7% worldwide.
10% is in sight. Perhaps by the end of 2007!
http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2158
Hmm, interesting. 4.8% -> 6.1% in the US in one quarter. And if their figures for the world wide sales are correct, 2.4% -> 2.7% worldwide.
Willis
Oct 24, 08:43 AM
Good call, other stores are not showing this 'error'.
Heres a pic if anyone has missed it.
Heres a pic if anyone has missed it.
FX4568
Apr 17, 08:37 PM
I get you... it's not just about games!
...except all your examples ARE games!
Like millions of other Mac owners, I don't play any games on my Mac and haven't for years. With iOS devices and consoles being so much cheaper, it just doesn't make any sense to me to pimp-up my Mac for gaming.
Dont let my lack of knowledge be the "hole" of the argument, considering that you might know more than me, we all know GPU tasks are not only gaming, but also many other applications involve this. Again, because of my lack of knowledge this might not be 100% backed up, but I can guess that games will not be the sole purpose of a GPU.
I bet that Mac gamers are a majority rather than a minority.
...except all your examples ARE games!
Like millions of other Mac owners, I don't play any games on my Mac and haven't for years. With iOS devices and consoles being so much cheaper, it just doesn't make any sense to me to pimp-up my Mac for gaming.
Dont let my lack of knowledge be the "hole" of the argument, considering that you might know more than me, we all know GPU tasks are not only gaming, but also many other applications involve this. Again, because of my lack of knowledge this might not be 100% backed up, but I can guess that games will not be the sole purpose of a GPU.
I bet that Mac gamers are a majority rather than a minority.
newagemac
Apr 30, 03:04 PM
I'm honestly surprised by a lot of you. The whole "no single android phone outsells the iPhone!" argument, is foolish and weak. It's a platform war. You basically get ONE CHOICE with the iPhone. Now it's a great choice, but of course it's going to be a top seller as a result. There are so many good Android choices out there that a single model isn't going to dwarf the others. Since there are, you know, options? As a platform it seems iOS is getting whooped on. Does that not register, or are people that much in denial?
Now myself, I like my iPhone, but come on...in this case we are talking about platforms...So weird...
Well if it's a platform war, Android is getting seriously spanked by iOS. The iOS platform is holding its own in smartphones and still growing in market share and in dedicated media players, portable media players, and tablets, it isn't even a contest. The iPad, Apple TV, iPod Touch and all the rest of the products on the iOS platform are seriously spanking the crap out of the Android alternatives.
That's one of the reasons why the big developers concentrate more on the iOS platform than Android.
Now did that register or are you just in denial?
Now myself, I like my iPhone, but come on...in this case we are talking about platforms...So weird...
Well if it's a platform war, Android is getting seriously spanked by iOS. The iOS platform is holding its own in smartphones and still growing in market share and in dedicated media players, portable media players, and tablets, it isn't even a contest. The iPad, Apple TV, iPod Touch and all the rest of the products on the iOS platform are seriously spanking the crap out of the Android alternatives.
That's one of the reasons why the big developers concentrate more on the iOS platform than Android.
Now did that register or are you just in denial?
Hipnomac
Apr 10, 12:19 AM
Went to the blue mountains about 2 hours west of sydney the other day.
Just got a Rebel T3i last week, and my first time going out and shooting. I played with my friends the other week, and was hooked. learning as I go.
Just got a Rebel T3i last week, and my first time going out and shooting. I played with my friends the other week, and was hooked. learning as I go.
kernkraft
Oct 26, 09:58 PM
I want world peace and everybody in the world be safe, fed and loved.
I'm only kidding. I want my well-deserved anal.
I'm only kidding. I want my well-deserved anal.
trip1ex
May 3, 08:59 AM
No charge to select trackpad instead of mouse.
Macsterguy
Apr 25, 12:39 PM
Do you guys think there will there be another refresh with Lion pre-loaded this summer? Im looking to purchase my first mac but wanted to wait until Lion drops.
You don't have to wait for Lion. It is easy to install os upgrades later... Buy next week!
You don't have to wait for Lion. It is easy to install os upgrades later... Buy next week!
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